18 Responses to “Brandan Wright’s Incredible Shrinking Rebounding Numbers”

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   Jon January 1st, 2009 at 10:06 pm

   Wright was a mediocre rebounder for a PF in college as well, so there doesn’t seem much hope that he’ll be an above average rebounder.

   This is the problem with our three man big man rotation - only Biedrins is a far above average rebounder; Turiaf and Wright are worse than average rebounding bigs (Despite their other advantages).

   Since we also play Stephen Jackson and Jamal Crawford, two horrid rebounders at the 2/3 (even worse when Jack plays the 4), the problem is compounded and the results are, well, what we’ve seen.

   Randolph has shown solid rebounding figures, but the rest of his game is quite far behind.

   There are no solutions on the roster given that we’ve cut Richard Hendrix, so the only alternative is a trade.

   I’ve repeatedly said we should have taken Joakim Noah instead of Wright, since he’s a legit rebounder but also has other skills useful to a free flowing offense. Thus far seems like he’s in the doghouse in Chicago, so a swap of Randolph or Wright for Noah would be one opportunity to add a big that can actually address one of our most glaring needs.

   The other young big “available” is Sean Williams, and he’s been a crappy rebounding big man as well, so he solves nothing.

   Despite Wright’s poor rebounding, I still think he should have played more down the stretch, as our perimeter players (Watson, Azubuike) were incapable of stopping penetration. A shotblocker might have at erased some of those mistakes. Some inside buckets wouldn’t have hurt either.

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   Bob January 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 am

   I don’t care about the individual rebounding stats. You look at Ronny and BWright stats and they aren’t impressive. But the fact is our TEAM rebounds much better when they are at PF. That is what matters.

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   commish January 2nd, 2009 at 8:43 am

   Hey Bob, that is what I was thinking. Isn’t that Geoff’s theme of saying our team does significantly better when we play “big” versus medium or small? I assume we do better for two reasons: first, the personnel on the floor doesn’tt take as many bad outside shots long before our defenders are close to the basket to be in position to get a rebound; and two, our players are simply taller which increases our rebounding chances.

   So when Geoff posted this, i did not see an analysis as much as data crunching. I wasn’t sure what it meant other than as a statistical fact. I also think that is why Jon likes the idea of Ronny playing PF rather than backup center. It just amazes me (for the lack of a better word) why we are not developing defensive schemes and team chemistry based on having a minimum of two and hopefully three “bigs” on the floor at the same time.

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   Son of Ahmed January 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 am

   This was another important analysis by Geoff. Wright is a poor rebounder, and his many missed opportunities are becoming more and more apparent as he gets more time on the floor. I think it all comes down to strength. The effort is there, but the power is not. He can’t hold a strong position down low. Most of his boards come from the weak side or from long caroms. His rebounds under the basket seem to occur when his defender leaves to help.

   If Wright wants to establish himself as a long term starting power forward in the league, he’ll have to become a stronger rebounder. I’ve noticed that he is a little stronger this season than last. That’s not saying much, but any progression in terms of strength is a plus for Wright.

   I echo Bob and commish’s feelings about Wright’s impact on the game. When Wright is in the game versus a wing or guard, the team seems to do better. Definitely we saw this in the Thunder game.

   Nelson could have played Wright more in the third and fourth quarters. Guys play through four fouls all the time.

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   Chris Cohan January 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am

   There’s more to talk about on this subject…

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   QB23 January 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm

   Nice game analysis. I think the lack of rebounding support and the absence of a shooter at the 4 is really taking its effect on Bedrins. He gets roughed up pretty well nightly and to make most of the Warriors play go smoothly enough he has to be both faster and more precise than he is.

   The lineup project has this ideological bent (I’ll show you) that makes it far less interesting than this game analysis. I am glad you put it at the end. I can skip that part and still think of you as open-minded.

   But the Wright analysis was most welcome.

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   FNQ January 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pm

   Talk about half the story… this article only glorifies individual rebounding… at what point does the staff take any accountability for our post men’s complete and total flatlining as prospects?

   BW seals out his man, or attempts to, on every play… he’s been surrounded by lesser competition (HS) or amazing rebounders (Hansborough/D.Thompson/rest of UNC) since becoming a pro… he’s never had to be the aggressive one, or on a team that desperately needed him to board. Assuming he would just step in and be good at it is folly…

   So when are the W’s coaches going to get Brandan to stop always boxing out and start attacking the boards? Using his length and quicks to tip the ball to himself like AR does? When I see a problem like this, the coaches are to blame… its not that BW performing awfully, he’s just not doing the correct thing on the court for the team, ever.

   And at some point, that becomes the responsibility of the coaches to beat that into him. Stop boxing out and start rebounding like the rest of the W’s do - using their athleticism to tip to themselves or each other…

   21-20 rebound advantage when Wright was in
   25-14 rebound disadvantage when Wright was out

   If you legitimately think Turiaf’s rebounding is better than Wright’s… I dunno what to say. Turiaf is abysmal.

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   Joe.Sez January 2nd, 2009 at 3:20 pm

   “…we should have taken Joakim Noah instead of Wright, since he’s a legit rebounder but also has other skills useful to a free flowing offense. Thus far seems like he’s in the doghouse in Chicago, so a swap of Randolph or Wright for Noah would be one opportunity to add a big that can actually address one of our most glaring needs.”

   Noah is in the dog house b/c he likes to Par-T and admits he isn’t in shape to play. He basically blew off the off-season and tried to play himself into shape like Shaq.

   He doesn’t pay attention (or is ADD) during practice so he’s also hard to coach and he isn’t an offensive player. He’s got a bad shot.

   Nellie would start Noah alongside Williams - deep in the bench.

   I bet the GSW and Bulls are involved in a trade before the deadline. The GSW are imploding and Chicago’s going nowhere with too many duplicate pieces.

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   Geoff Lepper January 2nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm

   First off: Yes, Brandan Wright should have played more down the stretch. I have no problem with pulling him early in the third after he picked up foul No. 4, but to not bring him back in the fourth was a flat-out mistake on Nelson’s part.

   Bob: 82games.com disagrees with you (and with what I had previously thought, which surprised me). According to the data, the Warriors are collecting fewer of the opposition’s missed shots, on a percentage basis, with Wright on the floor (63.1 percent) than without (67.2). And that 4.1 negative differential is larger than everybody else on the roster, other than Ronny Turiaf and Marcus Williams.

   I still think they’re a better team with Wright on the floor than Maggette or Azubuike at the 4 because Wright is one of the team’s most efficient offensive players (although those numbers are trending down slightly as his playing time goes up) and I think his defensive presence is more helpful than that of Maggette (all the time) or Azubuike (mostly).

   But Wright would force the issue if he would become a better defensive rebounder, IMHO. And the easiest way to do that is by solving his problem of letting balls he gets a hand on get away from him — assuming that’s possible.

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    M.Squared January 2nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    I think the Ws are better with Wright on the floor as opposed to playing small too.
    Unless Wright is being added into a multi-player deal to get an established vet/star- it is way to early to throw in the towel on him. He is essentailly a rookie and rebounding can be taught. The Warriors coaching staff is historically known as one that does not know how to teach big men. Wright brings a lot of positives to the game and can eventually become a solid player.

    Noah has been handed the starting job more than once and and blown it. On top of that his attitude sucks. He’s a whiner and hasn’t gained an ounce of strenght since he landed in the NBA. In fact- it could be argued that he hasnt progressed any since being drafted.
    The only problem with Wright is that he hasn’t played enough and has been jerked around.
    A lot of people were pretty harsh on Beidrens up until the start of his 3rd year in the league and he came around.
    Why hasnt Larry Smith been brought in to work with these guys yet?

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    Son of Ahmed January 2nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Geoff,

    Re: “And the easiest way to do that is by solving his problem of letting balls he gets a hand on get away from him — assuming that’s possible.”

    I’ve heard Wright has small hands. I don’t know if that hinders him grabbing the ball. Maybe he needs to borrow some of the stick ‘em that AB has on his hands.

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    Geoff Lepper January 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    SOA: I’m sure it does, assuming that it is the case. I’ve seen Steinmetz mention it. I can’t say Wright’s hands struck me as being tiny — certainly they’re significantly larger than mine — but it would be interesting to measure prospects’ hands, as Matt suggests.

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    Nigel Tufnel January 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Good analysis, but I have to think that Wright may have been being too cautious because of the foul trouble (in this game, but that applies to many of his games). Unless you are Yao or Shaq, you can’t rebound without being aggressive about it, and aggression will cause more fouls with a young player like Wright (both because he’s inexperienced and doesn’t have name recognition status from the officials yet). I agree that Wright can be and should be a better rebounder, and clearly he makes defensive mistakes. But he generally makes smart decisions on offense and as bad as his D might be, who is better on this team? Almost everyone on the Warriors is downright dreadful defensively. At least Wright is always a blocking threat. We see opponents constantly walk right down the lane unmolested against every Warrior, and outside they rarely close on or bother shooters. You can criticize Wright, but this team is packed full of just horrible, lazy defenders.

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    Chris Cohan January 2nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Wright’s individual rebounding rates were better last year and the disparity between on/off court not so bad. That suggests a potentially bad trend: worse with more playing time! But he was and is head and shoulders above the Nellie alternatives like Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus.

    Harrington was better.
    But these rebounding trends are far from terrible, especially considering the Warriors’ dead-last DRR endemic. There’s a systemic issue here, as well as a teachng issue that the old timers are more than willing to blame on Wright. Whatever, we’re back to fulltime NellieBall no matter what.

    It’s all moot. Wright is gone and Kurz is in in Minnesota.

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