10 Responses to “In-game snack: On second look, there was plenty of bad defense to go around for the Warriors in Denver”

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   JoeSez December 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

   What if those talented young guys without the 3pt shot see more playing time when they develop a 3pt shot?

   If Nelson plays guys because they have potential then he’s removing motivation for them to work on their game.

   Kurz’s playing at their expense sez there’s reward for working hard, not being a high pick or being labeled as an it player.

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   Warrick December 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

   I bet Don Nelson is playing anyone who he thinks will help him win games right now. Player development is the least of his concern.

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   howl December 15th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

   ok, there is no way you’ve ever played organized basketball in your life.

   it’s not the player’s fault for schemes. usually it’s the (assistant) coaches. if the coach is telling the guy to wait baseline on the double team, that’s not the player’s fault that his man is open. it happened again tonight w/ gortat and orlando did the same thing w/ biedrins. technically, the weakside guard on top is supposed to come down and cover that guy to force the pass back up top, he goes back to the top man and the big man goes back up to his man.

   i usually don’t advocate listening to Barkley & Kenny, but like they say, teams get better in games, players get better in practice. even Marco credits his improved defense to practice. you usually don’t develop in games, you stick to what you do in games and you work on stuff during practice. if it’s effective in scrimmages against NBA guys- chances are it’ll be effective in games. most guys develop in the offseason. Kurz playing doesn’t affect anyone’s development. the fact that you think it does shows just how little you know about playing basketball.

   imagine something as simple as adding a left handed lay up. when you 1st start practicing it, you’re not likely to be working on it in a pick up game - you’re going to stick with what works - using your right hand to finish. only when you’ve established it in scrimmages/practice and become confident in it, will you unveil it and go to it in a game.

   anyway, Randolph should NOT play. all it does is reinforce all his bad habits. guy has zero feel for the game. when did he start playing basketball? i’ll bet (i hope) it’s late. he could end up never improving like Darius Miles. i heard in practice Andris can shoot 3’s… Shaq supposedly puts on dribbling exhibitions in practice. Arenas can supposedly shoot college 3’s with decent accuracy one handed. kevin love has his full court passing gimmicks. just b/c a player can do something (in Randolph’s case, handle) doesn’t mean he should be doing it on an NBA court.

   and the way things are going, Brandan Wright’s going to be a Kwame Brown headcase. he’s already easily the dumbest guy on the team - guy is lost on d. he doesn’t know whether to bump, hedge, or h&r. he’s got to be one of the guy’s that Capt Jack called out for not remembering the game plan. he’s been with the team longer than young guys like CJ, DeMarcus, Kurz and Randolph yet they all have a better grasp of the team’s defensive schemes. Marco’s at least got the language excuse.

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   commish December 16th, 2008 at 12:26 am

   All that being said, conventional wisdom says it takes about five years for a “big” to be NBA ready with the obvious exceptions. You may be far too hard on Wright and Randolph and even Kurtz. I think the first two had so much natural ability that they probably never had to learn much about fundamental basketball. That is what the coaches are for; and just as Beans has gotten better every year, I presume our young, quite high picks will mature both physically and mentally.

   So that brings up the question of whether that happens in practice and or in actual games. I would presume it would be a combination of both. Problem is, from my perspective, is what Nelson tries to teach in practice has nothing to do with defense. And now we can see game after game our team doesn’t have a clue–the vets to the rooks. Our version of defense is a sieve. The rookies should be learning from the vets but when you see complete lack of general and specific defensive efforts by Maggette and Crawford and some effort periodically from Bukie and Jax, well, there are no role models from whom to learn.

   Clearly Geoff has empirically demonstrated our team is much better when we play “big”. At least Ronny and Beans have a defensive clue and motivation. I would hope Hendrix would as well being a bigger NBA type body. But we don’t expect Nellie to submit to logic or stats. I honestly think he is trying to get fired so he can take his money and run. I hope he gets his wish and Rowell ends up with egg on his face or worse.

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   David December 16th, 2008 at 5:33 am

   In general howl’s points are valid. You learn skills only in practice. But on the other hand you defenitly need the burn of a real game learn how to perform under pressure. You cannot simulate such an experience in practice, you need to be out in the wild.
   I also think that howl is way to harsh on the rooks, but nevertheless I share the core of his statement.
   Randolph obviously has no feel what so ever for the game and he show’s no improvement on this front. Wright has deyastating moments on the devensive end but at least not constantly. I see improvement.

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   Jon December 16th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

   There’s some truth to howl’s post, but it’s not the whole story:

   NBA speed can only be found in an NBA game. You have to see that speed to have any hope of adapting to it.

   Overall practice time is limited in-season, must less time dedicated to hammering home fundamentals with raw, raw players. Giving the kid some burn and then talking to him on the bench might be as educational as anything they can learn in practice. One hopes that after getting destroyed by pumpfakes in a few games, Randolph will learn not to leave his feet on the perimeter. You can hammer that all you want in practice, but getting scored in a real game is a pretty good motivator to shape the f- up.

   Lack of development is only half the story - the mangled mess that is our roster underscores how dysfunctional the front office has been. If you are going to adhere to the BPA draft philosophy and take the highest ceiling guy despite how raw he is, you’re going to strike out a couple times and the rest of the time you’ll have to be patient. We did that with POB, Wright, and Randolph, but have had nothing to show for it. Alternatively, we could have taken lower ceiling guys like Noah or Speights and gotten more “ready made” production, which is a safer investment of time, money, and the pick. Your philosophy must be backed up by execution and must parallel the rest of your roster moves (i.e. not drafting raw kids while trading for big veteran contracts like Crawford . . .)

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   JoeSez December 16th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

   “That is what the coaches are for; and just as Beans has gotten better every year, I presume our young, quite high picks will mature both physically and mentally.”

   Players get better in the off season only if they actively work on their skills. If not in the off season, then it’s too late. The season’s too long and much of a grind to accomplish much

   Beans is a guy who works in the off-season. It shows.

   Wright and Randolph have to grow and that’s the gym and filling out. The smarts and skills are not going to come with playing time, diet or fitness. Dishing out minutes will not make them better.

   Jamal Crawford, for example, saw a lot of minutes as a young guy but I don’t think he’s progressed much despite all his playing experience and coaching.

   Another guy got better after finally working on his mechanics.
   “[Larry] Hughes working consistently the last two summers basically to rework his jumper. Like a golfer rebuilding his swing, Hughes had to adjust to a new release point after he missed 45 games in 2006 because of a shattered knuckle on his shooting hand.”

   “Hughes entered Saturday night shooting 45.2 percent, second-highest of his 11-year career behind a 46.7 percent mark with Washington in 2002-03. He also is at a career-best 46.3 on three-pointers, tied for ninth in the league.”

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